Improved Recessive Red in racing pigeons, and Whiteside

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Improved Recessive Red in racing pigeons, and Whiteside

Post by AdamArcher » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:48 pm

Recessive red (e) has been present in Racing Pigeons for many years. It may still be an "uncommon" colour, but it is definitely a racing pigeon colour.

The "Meulemans" family of racing pigeons commonly breeds recessive red pigeons, however they are not commonly "good quality" colour-wise.

I am attempting to breed recessive red racing pigeons with improved colouration, without compromising racing quality.

The first cross will be a recessive red hen x an Ash Red Spread cock.

Also, I will attempt to bring the related "whiteside" gene in - again without giving up performance quality.

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Re: Improved Recessive Red in racing pigeons, and Whiteside

Post by Duvin » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:01 pm

A "show quality" recessive red winning a race would be a great thing to see!

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Re: Improved Recessive Red in racing pigeons, and Whiteside

Post by AdamArcher » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:44 pm

I think a Red Whiteside would be even more impressive ;)

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Re: Improved Recessive Red in racing pigeons, and Whiteside

Post by Genetics » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:39 pm

Improved Rec Red also opens the door to other colors with modifiers like dilute and pale, good luck with it.

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Re: Improved Recessive Red in racing pigeons, and Whiteside

Post by AdamArcher » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:14 pm

Honestly.... if I could win a race with an improved e//e dP//dP "Gold" pigeon... I'd almost consider life complete hahaha

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Re: Improved Recessive Red in racing pigeons, and Whiteside

Post by Genetics » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:22 am

From an old PGNY
FRED BARANY WRITES
In order to achieve improved recessive reds/yellows we need to add a few other
genes into the mix. The only one that I am aware of is Spread, in or
der to achieve a more uniform coloration. What other traits are re
quired to achieve the deepest, richest and most consistent recessive reds and yellow?
What impact does the base color have? Does the pattern make a difference? What is the id
eal set of traits that when combined, will produce a top-notch recessive red or yellow?

MICHAEL SPADONI REPLIES: excerpts
Recessive red will be a much richer expression or “improved” if you like, by
having Spread, T-pattern, Sooty, Dirty, smoky, any bronzes and Indigo. I would suggest
that the more pigment producing factors you can add to the mix the better. Go for the T-
patterns with nice dark checkering right down their backs or black. Smoky will lighten
up the beak. I breed rec. reds to blacks. Kites often show up from these mating. Do your
own crosses and find what is hidden under your recessive reds.

EDITOR
The quickest and easiest way to get good even colored recessive reds is to add any
bronze and black to the mix. Other things change the depth and color tone of rec. reds
but these two are essential to good even colored rec. reds.

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